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KH
Ken Harland
Tue, Jun 8, 2021 4:34 PM

I seem to remember where someone had relocated their house battery adjacent to the chassis battery and also installed a PDI Inverter/charger up front
as well but can't find it in my searchs.

Any help please?

Ken H

1978 Eleganza II

I seem to remember where someone had relocated their house battery adjacent to the chassis battery and also installed a PDI Inverter/charger up front as well but can't find it in my searchs. Any help please? Ken H -- 1978 Eleganza II
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Larry Davick
Tue, Jun 8, 2021 5:28 PM

RAGUSA sells a dandy batter tray for the front of the coach.  Maybe this
is a start...

Triple Battery Tray Top Seller – Ragusa RV
https://www.ragusarv.com/product/triple-battery-tray-top-seller/

Larry Davick
1976 Palm Beach
Fremont, CA
On 6/8/2021 9:34 AM, Ken Harland wrote:

I seem to remember where someone had relocated their house battery adjacent to the chassis battery and also installed a PDI Inverter/charger up front
as well but can't find it in my searchs.

Any help please?

Ken H

--
Larry Davick
ljdavick@comcast.net

RAGUSA sells a dandy batter tray for the front of the coach.  Maybe this is a start... Triple Battery Tray *Top Seller* – Ragusa RV <https://www.ragusarv.com/product/triple-battery-tray-top-seller/> Larry Davick 1976 Palm Beach Fremont, CA On 6/8/2021 9:34 AM, Ken Harland wrote: > I seem to remember where someone had relocated their house battery adjacent to the chassis battery and also installed a PDI Inverter/charger up front > as well but can't find it in my searchs. > > Any help please? > > Ken H -- Larry Davick ljdavick@comcast.net
KH
Ken Henderson
Tue, Jun 8, 2021 6:15 PM

Ken,

Just what is it that you need?  I've got the house and chassis batteries at
the right front on the Ragusa aluminum tray, with a 1500W inverter mounted
w/in 4' under the passenger's seat (which is an Odyssey or similar electric
on a custom base).  Been working fine for 10+ years.  The only shortcoming
is the difficulty of swapping batteries.  My having shrouded the area
between the grille and the radiator means they CANNOT come out the top
(through the "hood").  I've added a stable platform to my engine hoist so I
can insert them through the passenger wheel well on my service rack.  Sort
of extreme, admittedly, but I just replaced 3 batteries (which died during
the pandemic) alone at 84 yo, so it WORKS.  :-)  Here's the lift (the chain
has been replaced with a rod since a battery (used) shifted and fell off,
bursting its case):
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g5425-battery-lift.html
On the rack, the lifter can position a battery at the back of the tray with
no other actions needed.

Before losing the ability to easily lift batteries, I used a "ramp" from
the back of the battery tray down to the upper A-arm.  A battery set on
that ramp could easily be slid up onto the back of the tray -- only wheel
removal was required to make it work (with the wheel well liner removed, or
my split liner installed).

That's a good place for the batteries, but R&R can be a bit difficult.

Ken Hen.

On Tue, Jun 8, 2021 at 1:28 PM Larry Davick ljdavick@comcast.net wrote:

RAGUSA sells a dandy batter tray for the front of the coach.  Maybe this
is a start...

Triple Battery Tray Top Seller – Ragusa RV
https://www.ragusarv.com/product/triple-battery-tray-top-seller/

Larry Davick
1976 Palm Beach
Fremont, CA
On 6/8/2021 9:34 AM, Ken Harland wrote:

I seem to remember where someone had relocated their house battery

adjacent to the chassis battery and also installed a PDI Inverter/charger
up front

as well but can't find it in my searchs.

Any help please?

Ken H

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Larry Davick
ljdavick@comcast.net


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Ken, Just what is it that you need? I've got the house and chassis batteries at the right front on the Ragusa aluminum tray, with a 1500W inverter mounted w/in 4' under the passenger's seat (which is an Odyssey or similar electric on a custom base). Been working fine for 10+ years. The only shortcoming is the difficulty of swapping batteries. My having shrouded the area between the grille and the radiator means they CANNOT come out the top (through the "hood"). I've added a stable platform to my engine hoist so I can insert them through the passenger wheel well on my service rack. Sort of extreme, admittedly, but I just replaced 3 batteries (which died during the pandemic) alone at 84 yo, so it WORKS. :-) Here's the lift (the chain has been replaced with a rod since a battery (used) shifted and fell off, bursting its case): http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g5425-battery-lift.html On the rack, the lifter can position a battery at the back of the tray with no other actions needed. Before losing the ability to easily lift batteries, I used a "ramp" from the back of the battery tray down to the upper A-arm. A battery set on that ramp could easily be slid up onto the back of the tray -- only wheel removal was required to make it work (with the wheel well liner removed, or my split liner installed). That's a good place for the batteries, but R&R can be a bit difficult. Ken Hen. On Tue, Jun 8, 2021 at 1:28 PM Larry Davick <ljdavick@comcast.net> wrote: > RAGUSA sells a dandy batter tray for the front of the coach. Maybe this > is a start... > > Triple Battery Tray *Top Seller* – Ragusa RV > <https://www.ragusarv.com/product/triple-battery-tray-top-seller/> > > Larry Davick > 1976 Palm Beach > Fremont, CA > On 6/8/2021 9:34 AM, Ken Harland wrote: > > I seem to remember where someone had relocated their house battery > adjacent to the chassis battery and also installed a PDI Inverter/charger > up front > > as well but can't find it in my searchs. > > > > Any help please? > > > > Ken H > > -- > Larry Davick > ljdavick@comcast.net > > _______________________________________________ > GMCnet mailing list > Unsubscribe or Change List Options: >
KH
Ken Harland
Tue, Jun 8, 2021 8:00 PM

Thanks for the responses but I should have been clearer. I already have the batteries up front, was just curious about mounting the PDI.  I still have
the buzz box in the back.

Ken, I do remember when and where you first did yours but thought someone else mounted the PDI (or perhaps a different brand) either on the aluminum
plate or nearby.  And I can get my batteries out the top.  I have to remove the headlight connector to avoid damaging it and also remove the oil fill
cap to reduce the places I can hang up on the way out.  Coming out is actually easier than going!

--
1978 Eleganza II

Thanks for the responses but I should have been clearer. I already have the batteries up front, was just curious about mounting the PDI. I still have the buzz box in the back. Ken, I do remember when and where you first did yours but thought someone else mounted the PDI (or perhaps a different brand) either on the aluminum plate or nearby. And I can get my batteries out the top. I have to remove the headlight connector to avoid damaging it and also remove the oil fill cap to reduce the places I can hang up on the way out. Coming out is actually easier than going! -- 1978 Eleganza II
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Matt Colie
Wed, Jun 9, 2021 1:25 AM

kwharland wrote on Tue, 08 June 2021 12:33

I seem to remember where someone had relocated their house battery adjacent to the chassis battery and also installed a PDI converter up front as
well but can't find it in my searches.
Any help please?
Ken H

Ken,

All 23s have were built with the house bank in the front.
I added an extra PD9260 at the passenger's right foot to be close because the line loss from the rear was killing the charge rate.
PD9260 because of the physical size being 1" less in a critical dimension than my older PD9140.

What ever you do, don't use the buzzbox if you are not watching the house bank.  It will toast it, even from the rear location.

Is this a help?  If not, I'm here a lot.

Matt

Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit

kwharland wrote on Tue, 08 June 2021 12:33 > I seem to remember where someone had relocated their house battery adjacent to the chassis battery and also installed a PDI converter up front as > well but can't find it in my searches. > Any help please? > Ken H Ken, All 23s have were built with the house bank in the front. I added an extra PD9260 at the passenger's right foot to be close because the line loss from the rear was killing the charge rate. PD9260 because of the physical size being 1" less in a critical dimension than my older PD9140. What ever you do, don't use the buzzbox if you are not watching the house bank. It will toast it, even from the rear location. Is this a help? If not, I'm here a lot. Matt -- Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
KH
Ken Harland
Wed, Jun 9, 2021 1:33 AM

Matt Colie wrote on Tue, 08 June 2021 21:25

kwharland wrote on Tue, 08 June 2021 12:33

I seem to remember where someone had relocated their house battery adjacent to the chassis battery and also installed a PDI converter up front
as well but can't find it in my searches.
Any help please?
Ken H

Ken,

All 23s have were built with the house bank in the front.
I added an extra PD9260 at the passenger's right foot to be close because the line loss from the rear was killing the charge rate.
PD9260 because of the physical size being 1" less in a critical dimension than my older PD9140.

What ever you do, don't use the buzzbox if you are not watching the house bank.  It will toast it, even from the rear location.

Is this a help?  If not, I'm here a lot.

Matt

Thanks Matt,

I do have a couple of questions - why did you and Ken H choose to place the PDI inside the coach?  Was under the hood too exposed?  And how did you
connect the PDI to the input A/C power?

Thanks,
Ken H (the other one)

--
1978 Eleganza II

Matt Colie wrote on Tue, 08 June 2021 21:25 > kwharland wrote on Tue, 08 June 2021 12:33 > > I seem to remember where someone had relocated their house battery adjacent to the chassis battery and also installed a PDI converter up front > > as well but can't find it in my searches. > > Any help please? > > Ken H > > Ken, > > All 23s have were built with the house bank in the front. > I added an extra PD9260 at the passenger's right foot to be close because the line loss from the rear was killing the charge rate. > PD9260 because of the physical size being 1" less in a critical dimension than my older PD9140. > > What ever you do, don't use the buzzbox if you are not watching the house bank. It will toast it, even from the rear location. > > Is this a help? If not, I'm here a lot. > > Matt Thanks Matt, I do have a couple of questions - why did you and Ken H choose to place the PDI inside the coach? Was under the hood too exposed? And how did you connect the PDI to the input A/C power? Thanks, Ken H (the other one) -- 1978 Eleganza II
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Matt Colie
Wed, Jun 9, 2021 2:08 PM

kwharland wrote on Tue, 08 June 2021 21:33

Thanks Matt,

I do have a couple of questions - why did you and Ken H choose to place the PDI inside the coach?  Was under the hood too exposed?  And how did
you connect the PDI to the input A/C power?

Thanks,
Ken H (the other one)

Ken,

The RV versions of PD converters are not at all weather proof.  The marine versions are.
The unit also wants to be outside of the battery spaces as LA batteries emit corrosive fumes.  These two limit the possible locations.

I already had a surface conduit running that way to bring the inverter power aft to the reefer (remember this is a 23) so I just put in a parallel run
from the AC panel to that corner to supply the extra converter.

It is my opinion that the best wire for this sort of thing is the marine version of romex.  Same colors, but it is stranded and much easier to make go
the way you want it to and it is fatigue resistant.  The only difficulty is that most wiring devices (receptacles and such) cannot accept the stranded
wire without a terminal.  Buy it on line and it is a better deal than a marine store.

I have no idea what I would have done in a 26.

Matt

Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit

kwharland wrote on Tue, 08 June 2021 21:33 > Thanks Matt, > > I do have a couple of questions - why did you and Ken H choose to place the PDI inside the coach? Was under the hood too exposed? And how did > you connect the PDI to the input A/C power? > > Thanks, > Ken H (the other one) Ken, The RV versions of PD converters are not at all weather proof. The marine versions are. The unit also wants to be outside of the battery spaces as LA batteries emit corrosive fumes. These two limit the possible locations. I already had a surface conduit running that way to bring the inverter power aft to the reefer (remember this is a 23) so I just put in a parallel run from the AC panel to that corner to supply the extra converter. It is my opinion that the best wire for this sort of thing is the marine version of romex. Same colors, but it is stranded and much easier to make go the way you want it to and it is fatigue resistant. The only difficulty is that most wiring devices (receptacles and such) cannot accept the stranded wire without a terminal. Buy it on line and it is a better deal than a marine store. I have no idea what I would have done in a 26. Matt -- Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
JB
Johnny Bridges
Wed, Jun 9, 2021 8:11 PM

The inside mounting also removes the PD from engine compartment heat, which is the mortal enemy of solid state electronics.

--johnny

Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs.  They must answer to me in hell

The inside mounting also removes the PD from engine compartment heat, which is the mortal enemy of solid state electronics. --johnny -- Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons. Braselton, Ga. I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
SS
Steve Southworth
Wed, Jun 9, 2021 11:11 PM

Matt Colie wrote on Wed, 09 June 2021 09:08

kwharland wrote on Tue, 08 June 2021 21:33

Thanks Matt,

I do have a couple of questions - why did you and Ken H choose to place the PDI inside the coach?  Was under the hood too exposed?  And how
did you connect the PDI to the input A/C power?

Thanks,
Ken H (the other one)

Ken,

The RV versions of PD converters are not at all weather proof.  The marine versions are.
The unit also wants to be outside of the battery spaces as LA batteries emit corrosive fumes.  These two limit the possible locations.

I already had a surface conduit running that way to bring the inverter power aft to the reefer (remember this is a 23) so I just put in a parallel
run from the AC panel to that corner to supply the extra converter.

It is my opinion that the best wire for this sort of thing is the marine version of romex.  Same colors, but it is stranded and much easier to
make go the way you want it to and it is fatigue resistant.  The only difficulty is that most wiring devices (receptacles and such) cannot accept
the stranded wire without a terminal.  Buy it on line and it is a better deal than a marine store.

I have no idea what I would have done in a 26.

Matt

26 has both batteries front pass side.  The Ragusa 3 battery tray holds the large chassis battery and two large 6V golf cart batteries.

Steve Southworth
1974 Glacier TZE064V100150 (for workin on)
1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares)
Palmyra WI

Matt Colie wrote on Wed, 09 June 2021 09:08 > kwharland wrote on Tue, 08 June 2021 21:33 > > Thanks Matt, > > > > I do have a couple of questions - why did you and Ken H choose to place the PDI inside the coach? Was under the hood too exposed? And how > > did you connect the PDI to the input A/C power? > > > > Thanks, > > Ken H (the other one) > > Ken, > > The RV versions of PD converters are not at all weather proof. The marine versions are. > The unit also wants to be outside of the battery spaces as LA batteries emit corrosive fumes. These two limit the possible locations. > > I already had a surface conduit running that way to bring the inverter power aft to the reefer (remember this is a 23) so I just put in a parallel > run from the AC panel to that corner to supply the extra converter. > > It is my opinion that the best wire for this sort of thing is the marine version of romex. Same colors, but it is stranded and much easier to > make go the way you want it to and it is fatigue resistant. The only difficulty is that most wiring devices (receptacles and such) cannot accept > the stranded wire without a terminal. Buy it on line and it is a better deal than a marine store. > > I have no idea what I would have done in a 26. > > Matt 26 has both batteries front pass side. The Ragusa 3 battery tray holds the large chassis battery and two large 6V golf cart batteries. -- Steve Southworth 1974 Glacier TZE064V100150 (for workin on) 1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares) Palmyra WI
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Thomas Phipps
Wed, Jun 9, 2021 11:39 PM

Keep the buzz box for your work bench. It makes an excellent 12v source for bench work. Keep it away from any battery that you want to keep
functional.

2012 Phoenix Cruiser model 2552
KA4CSG

Keep the buzz box for your work bench. It makes an excellent 12v source for bench work. Keep it away from any battery that you want to keep functional. -- 2012 Phoenix Cruiser model 2552 KA4CSG